In this episode of EV Charging Revolution, host Chris Sass welcomes Monta's CEO Casper Rasmussen to discuss electric vehicle (EV) charging technology. They delve into Monta’s innovative solutions, challenges in European markets, and the future of EV infrastructure. An insightful exploration of sustainable energy transitions in the EV industry awaits.
Host: Chris Sass
Guest: Casper Rasmussen, CEO of Monta
Additional Reads:
Monta: https://monta.com/
In this episode of EV Charging Revolution, host Chris Sass welcomes Monta's CEO Casper Rasmussen to discuss electric vehicle (EV) charging technology. They delve into Monta’s innovative solutions, challenges in European markets, and the future of EV infrastructure. An insightful exploration of sustainable energy transitions in the EV industry awaits.
Host: Chris Sass
Guest: Casper Rasmussen, CEO of Monta
Additional Reads:
Monta: https://monta.com/
00:51.96
chrissass
Welcome to Insider's guide to energy I'm your host Chris sass.
01:11.15
chrissass
And today we have an exciting show. We're going to talk to the Ceo of Monta welcome to the program Casper Rasmussen.
01:15.73
Casper Rasmussen
Thank you very much. Thank you for having me looking forward for the conversations. Chris.
01:22.75
chrissass
Um I am looking forward to having this conversation you and I have been trying to talk for some period of time.. There's so much going on in your world. Your company's been going through some growth. It looks like funding and all kinds of great Stuff. So It's been hard I'm glad we finally have time to have this conversation. Um. I Have a good idea of what the background is. But why don't we start out for the audience is to what it is your company does? yeah.
01:44.45
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, so ah, manta is ah is a platform for so Evc like ev charting. So we we are really just a technology provider building software into end in the charting ecosystem and so connecting charge point to our cloud cloud solution. And providing services around that so that's payment of location load management, great services, etc, etc.
02:07.00
chrissass
So that is something that everybody would like I think the only company that kind of started that journey was Tesla where they kind of had that integrated story but any other vehicle doesn't have that are you trying to fill that void or are you looking at other pain points.
02:21.69
Casper Rasmussen
So I think for for us. It really started with like the user experience of charting that was the the pain point which dragged me into it said this have to be easier to solve and then as we we started building for that. We understood that the. The infrastructure actually behind it all also needed a full rethinking so we just went deep and deep and deeper into ah to all the problems and ah and they ended up building our like a really really big project. Um, and and maybe one a half year years ago we started looking into the grid as well. That was part of our plane all the way through. So prepare ourselves for vehicle to grid one day. Um, but we we kind of identified this part of the of the grid where you can provide flexibility ancillary services so you are. Aggregating charge pointss today and then you are bidding on on the on on flexibility market meaning that if the frequency drops below certain percentages. You will have to react and pause charting. Um and that's been like really a big journey building that up and managed to launch that over the summer and very well now.
03:33.78
chrissass
So the the fcr is kind of interesting to me. Um, is is a fundamental technology so you did this past summer some trial right in Sweden and Denmark with how how you could do that. So are we talking now these are like private. B to see customers that you are doing this with or or there's this fleets that you are doing this with much.
03:52.44
Casper Rasmussen
So in theory both segments could sign up for it but it was a opt in so we just made it as a program we want to sign up here and then you we you get some of the revenue we're earning and and it was in in dk in dk two. We. Is the bidding zone connected to Sweden. So so that was the the starting area.
04:12.15
chrissass
And then the concept had to do if I'm not mistaken with since you control the amount of demand That's part of this problem statement. But then the frequency as well. So what? exactly do you do to bring value to the grid.
04:28.22
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, exactly so because because we are charting so much like in in peak hours in in dk two we are. We're charting something like fifty sixty megawat megawatt and and if you look at how much that is compared to the total grid spends. It's ah it's a good for percentage now. Um, so we aggregate all that we forecast the demands and then we go out to the to the Tso and and bitd on flexibility that way we say we in this from this hour to this hour we can provide five hundred Megawatts from this hour to this hour we can provide 200? Um, and then they will pay us for for that flexibility. When there is a event then which is averagely happening every six weeks we will have to act within 5 seconds and pause charting you will hit. You'll have to hit a specific curve of a of downscaling and as well when the frequency is back up, you'll have to hit a curve back up so you don't overshoot on the frequency. And so it's a valid technical thing to get the to to to build especially across thousands of cha points. That's why it gets really arranged.
05:31.44
chrissass
Yeah, that's what I was wondering the scale of this right? So if you suddenly were to have a single switch and shut everyone off at the same time that would probably be more disruptive than the not doing anything or suddenly turn all the demand on at the same time. So is that part of the complexity of why the value of this is.
05:41.51
Casper Rasmussen
You.
05:49.80
Casper Rasmussen
Yet So it like I think what you're talking about here is like if you should if you overshoot which is the like So the frequency drops a little bit and now we we pause way too much and then now the frequency goes above and so part of the part of the whole algorithm is that we actually.
05:49.54
chrissass
So important. Yeah.
06:08.61
Casper Rasmussen
Measuring the a frequency as we're reducing it so we make sure we don't or wishho so we go in and say let's say we have 500 assets in rolled into that hour and we are asked to to drop to pause then will pause hundred right away we measure the frequency again. Pause another hundred and another hundred etc. So. It's kind of so you hit the curve and for for getting the frequency back in play so that that's what makes it ves. It's not just switch off right away.
06:37.10
chrissass
And now you talked about the region that started in so your company is in a number of countries now it seems to be growing throughout Europe I think I've seen you in Spain I think you have offices in London and all over. Ah, is the technology in the charging experience that you're developing universal across the Eu yet.
06:56.23
Casper Rasmussen
So for I would talking on the Flexibility market or generate the charting software.
07:01.19
chrissass
Well I think your platform right? I think you you were. You're going into the Flexibility Market seem to be a newer emerging thing for you if if I understood.
07:06.56
Casper Rasmussen
Like yeah, so the platform itself runs in like if we're live now in 16 countries. What 10 of them we are we are like have offices in and so and in theory the the platform is is pretty easy to move across borders. Is some localization. We'll have to do often depending on what the local laws are have to adjust to the currency they're getting access to data spot. Price market c two levels, etc. And so we we go where we go at the countries 1 by 1 and make sure that we can build up all the features sets for it and. We are often also will be a resell of electricity. So we'll have to register a company and go through a small legal process. Yeah.
07:51.52
chrissass
And then how does this process scale are you are you? ah planning to be a regional European player or can you go into other markets such as the Us which has a very different structure for its isos and and energy market.
08:03.38
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, so the plan was to start here in the nortics and central europe where the ev adoption was was more most rolled out and then we went into Southern Europe last year and next year the planes are to to get stay set up in us and. Us is is a few years behind the europe now on ev adoption. Also how mature the laws are the 50 states are doing a little bit different but it's actually most of the things we've seen in some country in europe along the way and where you're not allowed to sell kilowatts unless your utility but you can sell. Minute parking while you have free charting and like there's workarounds to to some of them so we see that that is really our like ah 50 small countries and you you need to understand what you can what you can't and can't do in each. Yeah.
08:55.75
chrissass
And and personally your background I think you came from an app background. You came from other tech companies. How does that roll into doing what you're doing today.
09:05.52
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, so my um, my background is originally a electronicical engineer moved into software and then build mobile labs for a decade had a company where we we sold. The softwares is so software mobile apps primarily in in Europe five more than 500 apps was developed over 10 years and so it gave me a lot of the experience in mobility and in consumer software which was needed here and then my my my original background as electronical engineer have given me ah some insights of course to to how they the hardware works. So yeah.
09:39.15
chrissass
And then the the app or the platform. Maybe you can explain a little bit more about how that works and and what the value proposition is from each of the perspectives right? I think you mentioned the utility you mentioned maybe the the consumer like you know the charge point stations. How how does that work. Bring value across the chain. Yes.
09:56.78
Casper Rasmussen
This of course so we categorize the different segments a little bit but if we start with if you are a charge point operator and that would be if you want to put four charge points up at home or at your at your business or housing association. Then we have an end-to-end platform for for that. So you you sign up and you go in and create your profile the account set up the sites put in the 4 chas points. We can integrate into more than 450 different chas point models. So if you bought abb snar emens etc that will work and. Then then then you then you set it up from there. You decide. What is the price is it public. Do I want it to keep it privately who do I want to invite in of your colleagues or or friends and then you really have the platform to run Chas points. In this case, it's just 4 but. Often a lot of the chatsman operators start small and then they get to hundreds and thousands later and so it's it's very much the same features that there. Um, if you were if you are ev driver then we have the charts.
11:07.65
Casper Rasmussen
Products which is primarily around mobile app. So if you are at 1 of our charting stations. You can scan a Qr code. It will take you either into a direct payment or you can download the mobile app create a profile and there you can always find all the chat points we have we have like 600000 chat points in the platform today. And so you can find them everyone in Europe and and start them and pay but you can also manage your own chars point at home. You can do smart charting. You have full insight of what you spend at home and what you spend that on the road and then we have yeah.
11:38.80
chrissass
Does it provide visibility into the reliability of the charge point or any statistics I know one in the north american problems. Is you you there may be a charge point but you get there and it doesn't work or it's occupied or there's other challenges with it does the app. Ah, help you navigate that challenge that folks are experiencing here at least in North America okay
12:00.40
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, So so the state of the chazz points is visible of course so if it's occupied on it's it's it's an error state a disconnect etc. You will see that and we have been ah playing around with what we call like a reliability score. So. Trying to merge and aggregate a lot of data on how it's been performing lately and and show that for the User. So what? How How likely is this to work when you come and and that's definitely something we we want to explore more the same also with pricing show you like is this actually a fair pricing. Compared to the charge points in the area. Um, yeah.
12:35.61
chrissass
And and and how does that work So you know if we're buying if you have a petrol car. Um, you know I I can pretty much universally just drive by a service station and look at the pricing on the sign and and know what I'm paying with electricity. It's a bit different so are people using the app to help.
12:46.99
Casper Rasmussen
M.
12:54.10
chrissass
Control that cost is that where I'm looking you know the the rates or how is that working today. Yeah.
12:56.60
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, yeah, so in here in in Northern Europe now we we have a pricing system we call dynamic pricing where it actually follows the spot market and you also have tariffs based on the diesel. She is always etc level and so the price changes every hour. So that's even when you start the charge point at let's say one Euro it might be one point one one hour later or less so to really have full insight to what the charcing price will be. You'll have to look into the mobile app if there's payment terminals at the site which we are starting to see more and more that they they put these small terminals up. When you activate them. It will estimate how much the the price will be for you depending on the the price or or average shouts. But the the full overview is in that.
13:46.59
chrissass
And is that a problem today or is that since his visibility not a problem is that drivers getting uncomfortable with that or are they comfortable with understanding how this works it seems you you need to be a little bit more understanding of the process than perhaps of the old days.
14:00.17
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, so ah I completely agree that this can easily be done way better for the in consumers and I think if we look a few years back where there was not dynamic pricing that meant that the cpos was. Adding a lot of extra cost to the kilowatts to make sure that they were always on the good side meant meaning that we were paying like three four weeks what the energy price was often when when cha on the streets. So I think it's it's a better alternative but it's still not perfect in the perfect worlds that will be ah. Ah, small display on the chart point telling you right now. The kilowatt price is this this is how it's kind of involve that's ah, that's kind of it. It got part of the specification now on the open protocols called California pricing in ovp so we will see more of this going forward. Few of the european countries have already warned that all charge points installed after 25 enty five or 27 will have to have some kind of mechanisms like this to be fully transparent on pricing and then you should be able to see accumulated price as you're charing so you can also. Quickly see if the price is off.
15:14.24
chrissass
The prices are now you mentioned that you're growing fairly Rapidly. You talked about some of the nuance of going to each markets. Um, what is it that the company's focused on now. It sounds like you have the base platform pretty well Baked. It sounds like that you've been expanding that. What? what's. Your focus now going forward.
15:30.94
Casper Rasmussen
So the focus say at the moment is that we've been building up the the platform and getting that into a very good position now and we still believe that's a lot to be solved in the industry and. It's a lot different problems when when we have x the thousand charge points 10000 cha point 100000 cha points from a technology point of view but also from a operator point of view. It's much harder to operate thousands of charge points. You need to know. What chat pins are broken. How do we send technicians out like the whole operational thing gets's much more important and but also internally at us like we need to be much better at making sure that solution is running smooth end to end through the entire experience so people don't have to call our support or or chat with us. And so it's really operational far. We. We're spending a lot of energy here at the moment on scaling and and better ah and improving quality. There's some major changes in the industry at the moment. That's the the protocol otbp is getting upgraded which is a very big migration and. We're looking. We're seeing plug and charts getting rolled out. We done the first iterations of that and live in the product as well. So that's plenty to work on from a technology point of view. Um, but scaling a scan and entire thing up is getting complicated as well.
16:54.31
chrissass
And then this day and age you can't talk about technology without talking about Ai um is Ai changing what you're doing or there is the the the evolution of what's happened in your platform because of advances in Ai. So.
17:08.80
Casper Rasmussen
So with Ai is not taking a big portion of the of the time yet. That's the fundamentals needs to be solved first like the data contracts the like the data flows between everything. What what we have done on Ai so far. Spot price prediction so we can forecast seven days ahead which means smart shouting for our customer gets even better than just knowing what the price is and go ahead and. Besides that we use it a lot internally. It's it's used a lot in our support. It's helping our support agents entering tickets talking to our customers. It's a it's giving the engineering team a lot of help and the marketing team. Um, but yeah.
17:54.96
chrissass
so so I guess the the 1 thing that comes to mind when you have a platform that you're describing is are you competing for who owns the customers are the oems and everybody else a bit concerned about having a third party platform because it seems like you own the relationship. With with the the driver when when you have the platform they're using to do all, they're charging and maintaining is is that a challenge for your business model.
18:22.45
Casper Rasmussen
It's definitely something. We've been challenged on and I would say we started doing that to make sure that we could kind of control our own faith but we have been partnering up a lot with different companies and and all over Europe where. They are getting more in control of the customer relationships as well and so we win a hybrid model today where in some countries we are very focused on our own brain and other countries we are working with partners.
18:47.56
chrissass
Um, and then what's the customer journey. What's what's their life expectancy. They normally sign up with you at their first Ev and the ah plan is that they just continue to use the app is that kind of the journey you're expecting.
19:00.92
Casper Rasmussen
I think that we look more at it as like running the software on the childcing station. That's the that's the sticky part if we get in there then then we we see a very loyal relationship with with the customer if it's if it's a pure. Ev driver which are browsing around to find Chas points and and startingling them There's a lot of competition on pricing and and that's not necessarily our play as well and so we believe more on running the charcing stations is ah is our game.
19:36.66
chrissass
And then from from the charging station point of view or the charge point point of view. How different is it from country to country within Europe.
19:48.18
Casper Rasmussen
In in technology wise. Ah, what do you mean.
19:51.43
chrissass
Yeah, and technology ah of of having a platform that runs across you know, 12 countries or across multiple footprints.
19:56.51
Casper Rasmussen
Yeah, so the fragmentation of hardware is massive right? We're 450 different model supporters today and we have a full team only working on getting charge points into the office opening them up making sure they work test them out. Um, and then ah. From that point then you see different countries are implementing different laws and we have seen in the dark darkway region Germany Austria with an icela which have been fairly painful process to get that implemented into end. We are encrypting meter readings through hardware to the cloud and having to work with the hardware providers and on the firmware side as well. Which is a different layer like different release cycle than than building web and apps. Um. In in France they have this ah like small gate which needs to close down in front of the of the connector and that's not impacting us but it's impacting all the hardware manufacturers they need to to make a model just for that. Um. So we see variations from country to country but most of it is just a very big spread on hardware at the moment from.
21:07.80
chrissass
And then from your company point of view. How big is the company where where you guys at Wow and are you in growth mode are you fairly stable right now.
21:13.34
Casper Rasmussen
Um, we 200 employees we are very much in grove move. We I think there was 10 new colleagues this month and continuing ah something like that going forward? yes.
21:29.30
chrissass
Um, where do you Allll do most your development or where do your developer sit.
21:31.19
Casper Rasmussen
So we have we have 2 hobps for the engineering today. So here in Copenhagen that's and that's a fairly big r and d team and then in Berlin that's 25 but around 90 people in r and d today in the company.
21:47.52
chrissass
Have have you seen the current interest rates and in world economy impact. Um the deployment rate of these charge points is as it made a difference in the last twelve months
21:57.83
Casper Rasmussen
I think it's it's more been these like incentives locally where the governments are rolling something out and then rolling it back again and where we can see that like it. It's changing in the market or work order and but I think luckily for us we. We have a very good spread across Nordic stock and Uk Island it's almost like a a quarter of our revenue comes from each and so when when one country is going a little bit slower. Another one is picking up that's been like out work this year um
22:30.86
chrissass
And I guess is there a need to track green energy coming out of these charge points is that something that you would be a part of or would that be just the charge point operator.
22:44.45
Casper Rasmussen
Know so we we are using a service today to which are giving us CO 2 levels and energy sources from the grids at that point. Um, and then.
22:56.20
Casper Rasmussen
We're using that for 2 things we use it to obviously show the the user how much you chew they generated from that chart. But it's also when they do smart charting you can you can pick between price C O two or renewable sources and you can kind of make a profile for how much you care about each. And then we decide based on that profile when the right charting schedule should be.
23:18.58
chrissass
And and are people using that feature has has that been fairly heavily used in your applications. So.
23:23.92
Casper Rasmussen
Smart shouting is very much used I would say more than 90% is setting it to price and but we can see in in certain areas where the tariffs are not fully dynamic. There. We see more people setting them towards renewable energy sources and those u 2 And so it is used but ah I think it's more about showing the customers How they're like giving them the option to make that decision.
23:51.82
chrissass
And then does your software help even demand out for the utility of the charge point by directing folks to other locations right? So that you know you're you're kind of balancing that way as well. Besides just consumption.
24:08.34
Casper Rasmussen
Know we we have decided to to build in a way I would like we we can show the customers where there's ah where there's a occupied charge points where they're free and we have a queuing to the Solution. So if you if you're driving to a site where everything is fully Occupied. You can Join. You can see the waiting time and join a queue and and that's been our kind of place on this I think some of the other things you can start working on is kind of having is having these like when is it normally busy and not but what we have seen is like it's just a very big spread On. On how charts chaing stations are utilized depending on on seasonality weather and which is not that easy to Predict. So we've stayed out of that for so far.
24:55.73
chrissass
And then I guess with your crystal ball. Where is this going What what functionalities and features. Do you think change this platform and going forward. What do? What do you see you want to add to make this better or different.
25:09.30
Casper Rasmussen
I think personally I'm I'm fairly excited about the whole otp 2 and where that is going because it's a big problem of the of the industry today is that we're building we're deploying a lot of Chas points on fairly weak technologies. And so strengthening the whole backbone will just make it much more rep robust for everyone and we look very much forward for for moving in that direction plug and charts or or like the whole auto charts where you just put the cable in the Tesla experience. We are rolling that out since August in Hindonmark now and it's been It's been a game change as well. You just plug in the cable and everything is taken care right away and I think on the grid side. There's a lot of more to come here. It's opening up in Uk now as well and we're starting to see ah it like. A lot of the hardware manufacturers are thinking in the feature sets and the firmware to be able to make this possible. Um, and so I think that's that's what we see a lot of evolution. Um, and then we we have just decided to also start spending some energy on some time on on heavy duty. Ah. So the trucks are coming now. There's not that many, but it's a little bit chicken day as always and we want to lean in to make sure that there's charging stations and software for that. A lot of it is the same technology but they can't share charge points with privates.
26:38.20
Casper Rasmussen
And this entire roaming setup today where we' are sharing charge points to each other needs to be reefingold a lot and they also need to know about what is the dimension of the parking so they know if they can come in with a 45 ton truck with the 2 trailers or they will have to like detach which is of course. Stop Opsimal. So and that's that's ah, some new air faults next year
27:01.14
chrissass
So you talked about the hardware connecting to your platform are there other platforms that you interact with or need to to offer this service software platforms that are in existence.
27:16.49
Casper Rasmussen
As our like our dependencies on the platform today and besides a hosting that is a like payment gateways and we ah we use a few of them and we have payment terminal integrations as well. We are communicating on the. And the roaming setup so we have something 50 something direct connections and then all the roaming hubs and data to spot pricing that's norpool in most market. But that's um, that's a specific one in Ireland and and Spain and the whole chu and energy sources is another source. So. Plenty of dependencies on data getting thrown back and forth.
27:55.69
chrissass
Is there a fair amount of ah variability that maybe you don't see in a conventional internal combustion engine from from a supply side. So If there's a holiday or things like that since electrons generally don't store. Well um. Is this different is there a learning curve based on the demand being kind of I mean it stores in the car battery but I would imagine that Demand is different is that the case or not really yeah.
28:21.86
Casper Rasmussen
I Think the the biggest one is really when the temperature drops we can see chasing going up drastically like here the the last few days here in in the nortics. Ah we had the snow on minus temperatures and then it just increased drastically.
28:38.20
Casper Rasmussen
Um, and then I think like most of the Ev drivers today. They don't really spend too much time at the at the fast charters. They only use it in the holiday time when when they need to visit family and there you can see a big move going from destination charing to to fast charging. Um, so I think. That's the clear patterns. Ah we see today.
28:58.24
chrissass
So and so does that mean that a lot of weather data is part of your prediction then for the markets for your market data. Are you just relying on the markets for that.
29:05.60
Casper Rasmussen
So on on our whole spot. Price prediction weather and specifically winds around the Windmill parks in in in in the in the sea is a very poor big portion of the protection. Yes.
29:18.72
chrissass
And then is that hold true for the dock region or other I mean you know in the U K or someone it's got a lot of wind and you know coastline does that hold true through all all through the countries you're in.
29:31.14
Casper Rasmussen
Is it definitely not right it and that's also the complexity each say almost each bidding zone will have different kind of parameters. You need to pull in which is important for for predicting price. Um, and. And then you just have some of these completely or impossible things to predict when when suddenly like Germany starts buying up energy and in in dk one and not using it or other like hitching and other interesting elements. We've seen. Um.
30:01.37
chrissass
So now Cop Twenty Eight is going on. Is there anything that should be coming out of the cop conference that you think will impact your business.
30:09.40
Casper Rasmussen
I think that the thing I'm always talking about is like everyone is so focused about these public fast charts and networks around the highways in every country and for sure that is a network which needs to be set up for ev to be rolled out. But it's such a small part of the problem like destination charting is just what everyone is going to use eventually for most of the charting and and it's getting too little attention in the start in all countries and then when ev adoption gets to 5 10 15% it starts with. Yeah, they start to say going over to destination char but it's the it's the private markets they doing it really It's not getting too much attention from the from the governments.
30:56.49
chrissass
But is that a reasonable assessment with I mean so many Europeans live in apartments. They don't own their homes So they're multifamily dwellings. Um, how does that work I think you would notice it at a certain point right? because evs tended to be expensive. So the early adopters tended to be more affluent and maybe had.
31:03.85
Casper Rasmussen
Um, yeah.
31:12.83
Casper Rasmussen
Are you here.
31:15.30
chrissass
Separate homes is is when it's mass Market is it still all going to be destination How how does someone that lives in apartment buildings have have enough charging for everybody.
31:24.75
Casper Rasmussen
So so what we see is just that they they will be able to install chaing poles on this on the on the street on the on the on the cribs and all the parking houses around the the town will just get cha poles on every single chance parking and so so this is the solutions. So. We don't need super fast charting if you're parked there for 12 hours plus so 3 point 7 kilowatt one phase. That's that's actually enough as well. But then just needs to be cha stations enough so you don't need to worry about it when you get home from work. Um, and. It's really solving the the problem but then the pricing needs to to follow as well. So that's not a big gap if you have a if you're living in an apartment and have to buy it on the on the public market or you're living in a townhouse where you can. Put you there put the cable out of the window one charge yourself from your own energy energy bowl. Ah.
32:21.40
chrissass
Makes sense now I have a background coming from telecom and I know that everything in scale was hard. That's what made telecom hard because we had to do it in such scale have you started seeing the scale that you're you're hoping for and what kind of challenges for your particular software does scale bring so when. When density gets very high across all of Europe what are some of the scaling issues for this kind of software.
32:47.40
Casper Rasmussen
So um, the first one is is this otvp protocol call out strong about that is actually like a steady web soet connection you have on all the charing stations even when they are not active and and that's not something you can just buy off the shell at Amazon Microsoft in that cloud hosting. And at least not in scale. So so you need to spend a lot of engineering power kind of rethinking how these things are done and and we went through a lot of that work. Maybe 1 year back and so completely separated up like what we call those rp broga and the the layer which are actually dealing with the. With the calculations and so you can keep the connections going at a very steady pace and otherwise whenever someone redeployed you're just rebootding 50000 charges points which are then all reconnecting back at the at the server and taking it down again and. And then I think the the best thing to compare to roaming ah to telco. That's that's roaming and where today it's ah it's a hybrid setup between roaming hops where it's centralized and and then you have these bidirectional ospi connections. The big.
34:03.98
Casper Rasmussen
Operators are doing with each other and neither these are going to scale very well and I think this industry needs to learn a little bit from 2030 years of telco where you have the the large ones connecting to each other and the smaller ones connecting to the larger ones, etc, etc. So it's not like 1 too many problems happening for for this Ah.
34:26.58
chrissass
And is the network infrastructure in place for all this as as you're going in and adding this is is this going to be taxing on either 5 g or on the landline and land network.
34:39.97
Casper Rasmussen
So they we're tapping on the normal in the internet right? So it. It can be ah e sims the sim cars wifi land and that that's a setup you're seeing today. Um, but I think my my point is more about like how we. How we get the data back and forth between the operators. So it's it's not a centralized solution through some provider but it's also not completely decentralized where everyone needs to know about everyone at all points because that also going to be problematic in scale. It's only going to be. Amazon and Microsoft having a good time over that.
35:18.30
chrissass
Awesome! Well, we've been all over the place before we come to conclusion are there any other things that I didn't cover that you would like to talk about before we bring this interview to a close.
35:27.26
Casper Rasmussen
No I think we we really covered some some tab storie today. So appreciate that.
35:34.11
chrissass
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